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You mentioned one of the drawbacks with stacking was that some units were not even engaged (elf/undead scenario). What is the ratio of units that can engage a single unit/soldier before I have guys sitting around watching?
One notable exception: when playing vampire counts (on pretty much any difficulty), you want basically all your infantry (except maybe cairn wraiths) stacked on a thick blob.
Then you just hammer the AI with you're fast/high mass monsters and cav from behind.
When I am advancing my line towards the AI line in campaign, I always watch to see if they gravitate towards one part of the line more than the other, especially if my units are slightly staggered. It seems like the AI will often ignore the fact that there are other units further back and bases its decision to attack on the proximity of the unit that is closest to it. That means that if I put spearmen (for example with the high elves) at the top of the advance and rangers slightly behind them, I can encourage the AI to stack and blob on the spears, then I move the rangers out wide (or through gaps in the lines) before the lines meet and bring them round the back. Once this is achieved a spell on top usually breaks the blob pretty fast.
Thanks for tips, I'm new and bobbing with vampire counts and this will help me flank and tie up missle units without suicide rushing them with flyers
There is one big blobby line of mess engaged with enemies one big blobby line of mess!
How do you know how my campaign going?
Thank you for this! I am a Civ 5 player so the live battle tactics in total war kinda overwhelm me and somehow i always end up blobbing. I need to practice some more
Dude great video!
This helps. See, back in the day, i swear the stacking used to work wonders. Nice to see some changes.
these examples were hard to watch lol
All your content just saved most of my campain issues, and i just started with the most complicaded faction to run the campain:
The Clan Mors… Now this is a thing to think about
Economy of effort
Alternatively you can flank with damage dealing ranged units like empire handgunners
8v2 is not a thing?
laughs in skaven slave slingers
Classic pincer move?? Car Ramrod?????
Not to mention all that waist of fatigue engaging with all units, when one unit can rest, or apply flanks secure morale bonus.
I'm sure its a mod but, what is that highlighter thing he is using. I've seen it in a lot of your videos and still haven't seen a comment that was also curious
It's Summer. The date is August 2nd. The year is 212 BC. The place is Cannae, Italy. 80,000 Roman infantry and 5,000 Roman cavalry led by two Roman Consuls faced off against 30,000 Carthaginian infantry with 8,000 cavalry led by Hannibal Barca. At the end of the day, not a single Roman was left alive and it was not a Pyrrhic victory for the Carthaginians. Biggest real life example of stacking ever in the history of warfare.
Bold of you to assume I would know which units do damage against other units.
I always thought these were things that were obvious and didn't need to be explained lol. Some people, man.
Stacking like that makes me so happy when I'm playing anything with a Winds spell.
those that stack up was asking to be wreck with magic and even artillery works well
Hi, I'm new at this game and trying to learn to be better. How do you swap unit to make one of the fall back like that?
"But oh no let's just select the entire army and give a single right click, and watch this shitty game of tetris unfold"- Lmao!
I used to do this so much it didn't really click to me that these models interact with each other the way they do
This video helped me get through a tough situation on my darkelf campaign. :3 thanks Zerkovich.
i would like to also put my input into this discussion
in more technical and economic term: The army is like your resource, never spend too much resource from just one angle of attack and play a number game. if you are outnumbered, play more defensively and actively try to protect your front-line from being flanked too easily until the opportunity presents itself to open new angle of attack. if you have the number advantage, actively try to seek out of opening new angle of attacks whilst trying to get through their rearguard (I.E. the units that are protecting it's flanks). if both army is even, then it all comes down to the planning of a battle and the execution of said battle plan and doctrine. What i meant by doctrine is: what is my composition of my army and how i fought my wars as a faction? what is my strength and weakness to know how i fought my wars and form a battle plan. for example, for vampire coasts in battle and campaign it is: ranged superiority and monsters along with vampiric corruption, being able to recover from battles quicker, along with special missions and unique rewards for defeating minor-pirates. the only time you ever stack is when the enemy unit value exceed your own unit value, in that case additional units is required to turn that fight into your favor.
but most importantly though, knowing the reality of a situation and getting a big picture of your own wars and battles is a key to opening the door of the future of your own nation.
i play on normal mode but i always command my unit but they refuse to move they just stick in fighting how can i make them fall back, all i get is them fight n refusing to back off until their moral drops n then they flee
The last time I stacked? Playing warriors of chaos on easy as kholek with an army of
14 Dragon ogres, 5 shaggoths and kholek. Was fighting vampire counts sooo I just grouped everything charged into one tiny part of there army bardeped threw moved behind them cake back and repeat til undead is dead
Fun times.
Sometimes i am thinking Zerkovich is master of Multiplayer… he was so strong in the TOP table alone… and he choose to teach low rank how to play like.him and wait them in top
is it best to have a flanking unit in a more or less square formation so that they can turn quicker?
is it best to have front line units spread into a line three or four men deep? Those chaos warriors as a single unit have wrapped the TK units… how do you do that?!?! is that simply just a wider unit formation?
to be fair the AI sometime ignores your flanking orders and blocks up despite your best efforts. for some reason my calvary will always charge spearmen even when i tell them to attack someone wide of the spearmen
when there's a wide central fightline going on and i have spare units to flank with.
Do I flank as fast as possible into 1 enemy or do I take my time to position them, thin my flankline so 1 unitgroup can flank multiple enemy unit groups?
This is a great guide and series about warhammer 2. Thanks for the good work.
even if you`re new to the game …after 2-3 battle where you see that not all units you are pilling up are attacking ,you change you tactic
To be fair… that's exactly what an ork would do.
STACKing is what also almost focked jon snow in BB.
I know a game called Ultimate General Civil War that demand you rigorously to flank enemy.
But since this is total war with nice animation, most of people just want enjoyments to see unit poking each other with poles.
As a new player can I ask why? atm I stack all my units because I just assumed that 1 unit does 1x damage but 2 units would do 2x damage to the opposing unit (and so on) therefore eliminating them with little causalities so i can move from opposing unit to unit. Is this not how it works? EDIT: when you move units into combat (and flanking) are you fast moving?
"like some mindless zombie horde" – maybe not the best comparison, considering they're skeletons, hahaha